tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post560995668935050689..comments2023-11-10T22:27:47.359-05:00Comments on Eye on a Crazy Planet: U of Toronto professor claims Canadian Jews support Stephen Harper to maintain their place in "the racial order"Richard Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10239826441964023625noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-75004989256839533522013-09-27T18:24:18.703-04:002013-09-27T18:24:18.703-04:00I'm guessing bagels and not much else.
Peopl...I'm guessing bagels and not much else.<br /><br /><br />People like Nestel are always wrestling themselves into rhetorical pretzels in their failed efforts to maintain any logical consistency to what they say.<br /><br />Much of what they don't say is that their real religion is communism and they see Israel as a soft target in the "war against global capitalism." One of her "Queers Against Israeli Apartheid" cohorts, a Ryerson University Sociology professor named Alan Sears, made that more or less explicit. <br /><br />http://eyecrazy.blogspot.ca/2011/03/candian-politicians-denounce-self.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Richard Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239826441964023625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-83474347345288276002013-09-27T17:02:16.444-04:002013-09-27T17:02:16.444-04:00Nestel says "While I’m non-believer and not e...Nestel says "While I’m non-believer and not even remotely spiritual, I genuinely care about Jewish culture, about the Jewish future and about the moral life of the Jewish people."<br /><br />Why should she genuinely care about any of these things? What part of the Jewish future does she genuinely care about? One where the Jews wander around from place to place, without a country of their own, as guests in somebody else's country, hoping and praying that maybe they won't get slaughtered or expelled or locked up in a ghetto or methodically rounded up and sent to a death factory? She genuinely cares about "the moral life of the Jewish people"? Where is her commission appointing her judge of the morality of the Jewish people? If she thinks she's some kind of modern-day Jeremiah or Isaiah, then she better start practising getting "spiritual", because secular prophets are really lame. I'm really curious - as someone who doesn't like the Jewish religion, 99% of the Jewish community, the one and only Jewish country on this planet (and the only one that has existed since people spoke Latin in day-to-day conversation), and probably has dim views of male circumcision and the preparation of kosher meat, what part of Jewish culture does she like??? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-18042188618868396732013-08-07T09:56:09.659-04:002013-08-07T09:56:09.659-04:00Yorkie and Sam, you are missing the point:
Nestle ...Yorkie and Sam, you are missing the point:<br />Nestle represents Judaism in the same way the Neturei Karta (ultra ultra orthodox) lunatics represented Judaism when they went to Tehran to participate in the Holocaust-denial conference of Hamedinejad. Did the fact that they had black clothes and long sideburns give extra credence to the claim that the holocaust never happened?<br />The Jewish people have their share of lunatics. To claim that they represent Jewish thought is equivalent to letting the lunatics represent the asylum. YKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-76153100676180663362013-05-17T13:13:12.299-04:002013-05-17T13:13:12.299-04:00Aside from your fixating on a minor point of the m...Aside from your fixating on a minor point of the matter, no, you seem to lack the ability to grasp what I wrote, Sam. It has nothing to do with degree of religiousness. But if someone says they don't believe in God, and only proclaim themselves as a "Jew" for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel, then I think it's pretty obvious who is full of "crap."<br /><br />But thanks for stopping by. People like you are always good for a laugh.Richard Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239826441964023625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-30920764445354416972013-05-17T12:59:27.305-04:002013-05-17T12:59:27.305-04:00So any Jew who isn't religious can't speak...So any Jew who isn't religious can't speak as a Jew. Tell it to David Ben Gurion ... and almost every other Jewish 'leader' in the past century.<br /><br />Your an idiot! (Or more likely, you know that that is crap, and you're just dishonestAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874972283489751851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-65674528883635279472013-05-16T21:12:31.916-04:002013-05-16T21:12:31.916-04:00It might - If I ever start representing myself as...It might - If I ever start representing myself as a spokesperson for Jews, you should call me on it.Richard Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239826441964023625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-27571339730694346632013-05-16T20:58:55.320-04:002013-05-16T20:58:55.320-04:00So does not taking "religious practice seriou...So does not taking "religious practice seriously" make you a non-Jew or someone with "no real connection to Judaism"? If it doesn't then how do you support your claim that Nestel "has no real connection to Judaism"?Yorkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-27776331174225248982013-05-16T20:23:44.810-04:002013-05-16T20:23:44.810-04:00There's no misrepresentation at all, Yorkie. I...There's no misrepresentation at all, Yorkie. I know plenty of evangelical Christians who "genuinely care about Jewish culture, about the Jewish future and about the moral life of the Jewish people" but they don't represent themselves as Jews for political advantage.<br /><br />As to being religious or non-religious, it's irrelevant, but being an atheist, or as is the case with some "Independent Jewish Voices" members of denominations like the United Church or Muslim members (now those really are 'independent' Jewish voices) the representation of themselves as Jews for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel is both dishonest and transparent. <br /><br />As to me being a "non-believer," I'm not sure where you are getting that. I believe in God, I just don't take religious practice seriously. However I don't make any representations as a spokesperson for any religion. My support for Israel is based on an examination of fact and it being a pluralistic liberal democracy fighting against fanatical, genocidal totalitarians (and their useful idiots).Richard Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10239826441964023625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2601639312234106733.post-16270481191723087992013-05-16T18:17:09.786-04:002013-05-16T18:17:09.786-04:00Richard you claim "Nestel admits something th...Richard you claim "Nestel admits something that her fringe group generally denies, but is well known in Canada's Jewish community; that most anti-Zionist activists like her who self-identify as Jews have no real connection to Judaism" but what she actually says is "While I’m non-believer and not even remotely spiritual, I genuinely care about Jewish culture, about the Jewish future and about the moral life of the Jewish people." <br /><br />Sounds to me like you're misrepresenting her words in order to fit your thesis. A bit strange for you to imply that you can only be Jewish if you are religious when you yourself have said you're non-believer, isn't it?Yorkienoreply@blogger.com